Comments on: Count the Listeners vs. The Listeners Count http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/ A journal of geekery, music and joy Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:00:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Parking In Bitterman Circle » Blog Archive » Where's the money? Can you see it yet? Keep looking… http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-6810 Parking In Bitterman Circle » Blog Archive » Where's the money? Can you see it yet? Keep looking… Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:13:30 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-6810 [...] Count the Listeners vs. The Listeners Count. [...] [...] Count the Listeners vs. The Listeners Count. [...]

]]> By: blob » Evil Genius Chronicles » The Listeners Count http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3846 blob » Evil Genius Chronicles » The Listeners Count Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:54:46 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3846 [...] Okay. I’ve been sitting on this quote from Dave Slusher for two weeks. I even had related links in delicious that I had intended to go through and try figure out what it was I wanted to say about this. But I’m tired of waiting. So I’m just gonna say it. [...] [...] Okay. I’ve been sitting on this quote from Dave Slusher for two weeks. I even had related links in delicious that I had intended to go through and try figure out what it was I wanted to say about this. But I’m tired of waiting. So I’m just gonna say it. [...]

]]> By: nick coster http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3598 nick coster Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:56:03 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3598 Your comments about doing things a different ways makes me think of why Google’s search methodology changes the old rules. By looking for the ways that websites refer to each other and the resulting networking patterns that evolve, Google was able to leverage the human factor and help people find the things that other people asking the same questions found relevant instead of just looking for the sites that had the most traffic of the most of a particular word in the page. For example if you like a website, blog or podcast and you say so then because I respect your opinions then I might just go there too. These person to person referrals will become more important AND will be harder to game, because they are based on trust. If someone compromises that trust with overt advertising or insincere endorsements then the links weaken, and the network continues to evolve. The question is will trust or money rule this network? If trust wins then i think that the money can follow. The reverse however is less likely. --nick coster Your comments about doing things a different ways makes me think of why Google’s search methodology changes the old rules. By looking for the ways that websites refer to each other and the resulting networking patterns that evolve, Google was able to leverage the human factor and help people find the things that other people asking the same questions found relevant instead of just looking for the sites that had the most traffic of the most of a particular word in the page.

For example if you like a website, blog or podcast and you say so then because I respect your opinions then I might just go there too. These person to person referrals will become more important AND will be harder to game, because they are based on trust. If someone compromises that trust with overt advertising or insincere endorsements then the links weaken, and the network continues to evolve.

The question is will trust or money rule this network? If trust wins then i think that the money can follow. The reverse however is less likely.

–nick coster

]]> By: Ken Nelson http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3591 Ken Nelson Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:59:13 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3591 Audible, and the whole blog-posting-storm related thereto, is at related to Fruitcast, in business model, if not implementation. I offer a few observations, in probably far too many words: http://www.quietvoice.org/index.php/2005/11/15/fruitcast-salad/ I'm behind Bitterman, and BB, as it should be. -k- Audible, and the whole blog-posting-storm related thereto, is at related to Fruitcast, in business model, if not implementation. I offer a few observations, in probably far too many words:

http://www.quietvoice.org/index.php/2005/11/15/fruitcast-salad/

I’m behind Bitterman, and BB, as it should be.

-k-

]]> By: Brooklyn Bluesman http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3589 Brooklyn Bluesman Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:04:04 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3589 What an honor to be posting behind the Bitterman. Dave, one of the many things I admire about you is your uncanny instinct to get to the "true" root of the matter, and push away the dross. I appreciate your built in "ABD"(anti-bullshit device) circuitry which combined with your feistiness makes you one hell of an interesting iconoclast. What an honor to be posting behind the Bitterman.
Dave, one of the many things I admire about you is your uncanny instinct to get to the “true” root of the matter, and push away the dross. I appreciate your built in “ABD”(anti-bullshit device) circuitry which combined with your feistiness makes you one hell of an interesting iconoclast.

]]> By: Parking in Bitterman Circle http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3577 Parking in Bitterman Circle Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:18:37 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3577 <strong>Where's the money? Can you see it yet? Keep looking...</strong> Where’s the money? Can you see it yet? Keep looking…

]]> By: Mike Seyfang http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3576 Mike Seyfang Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:17:50 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3576 Woa - the 'Moral Compass' needle just twitched. Good point Dave - lets build a NEW model. Woa – the ‘Moral Compass’ needle just twitched. Good point Dave – lets build a NEW model.

]]> By: Paul http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3570 Paul Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:26:58 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3570 Don & Dave, couldn't agree more. We live in an age where things can be micromanaged down to the very last granular number, all in the name of productivity and penny pinching. I think that you are absoutely right that if the content is there, then that's all that matters. Of course, the whole point of monetization is to keep costs low and profits high, which would lend itself to the micromanagement model. That being said, I am in full agreement that podcasting doesn't necessarily have to be apart of that in order to legitimize itself. As long as one person is listening to another, podcasting lives and is legitimate in the lives of those people. Good comments! Can't wait to hear the PME keynote :) Don & Dave, couldn’t agree more. We live in an age where things can be micromanaged down to the very last granular number, all in the name of productivity and penny pinching. I think that you are absoutely right that if the content is there, then that’s all that matters. Of course, the whole point of monetization is to keep costs low and profits high, which would lend itself to the micromanagement model. That being said, I am in full agreement that podcasting doesn’t necessarily have to be apart of that in order to legitimize itself. As long as one person is listening to another, podcasting lives and is legitimate in the lives of those people. Good comments! Can’t wait to hear the PME keynote :)

]]> By: » On Measuring What Matters » The Work Better Weblog » Working Pathways, Inc http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3566 » On Measuring What Matters » The Work Better Weblog » Working Pathways, Inc Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:28:27 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3566 [...] “What matters to me are the number of sensible comments, the other shows that quote me, the number of people that came up to me and talked to me at PME and told me they enjoyed the show. These are not simple numbers, but the simple numbers are flawed and odd and full of fraud.” - Dave Slusher [...] [...] “What matters to me are the number of sensible comments, the other shows that quote me, the number of people that came up to me and talked to me at PME and told me they enjoyed the show. These are not simple numbers, but the simple numbers are flawed and odd and full of fraud.” – Dave Slusher [...]

]]> By: Don Moore http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2005/11/15/count-the-listeners-vs-the-listeners-count/comment-page-1/#comment-3564 Don Moore Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:29:09 +0000 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/?p=2703#comment-3564 The entire issue of "counting" is an attempt to push this new media into a mold that the old media existed, which is effectively why it is currently failing. Once you starting worrying about numbers, content goes out the window as you try to appeal to the largest audience. The entire issue of “counting” is an attempt to push this new media into a mold that the old media existed, which is effectively why it is currently failing. Once you starting worrying about numbers, content goes out the window as you try to appeal to the largest audience.

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