Adam, you have a very good point about the asking for something. The fact that all Bush has ever asked of the American people is to go shopping shows what he thinks of us – sheep to be fleeced. This ties in with Tony, in that when you lift people up out of poverty, that isn’t a big gift to the shiftless, that is an investment in our future. Having an America without that poverty is a stronger more vital America with a better economy. It ain’t a zero sum game, you can win by helping others win too. That’s where conservatives fail, they want to win by making others lose.

John Edwards concluded his Presidential campaign yesterday, but not before securing pledges from Obama and Clinton that they would make the ending of poverty central to their presidential campaigns.

Regardless the road we choose to take, be it a conservative path or a liberal one– at what point will we consider people out of poverty? Can somebody tell me. Not platitudes like “when every person is living in dignity and without fear” or some other claptrap. I can’t measure that, and unless we figure out how to achieve some communistic land of perfection, where everyone is robotically equal, we will always have different strata in society. The poor will always be with us.

So, please somebody tell me– What does the end of poverty look like?

Honestly? You really beleive this man?
In the interest of full disclosure I will tell you that I am a republican. I voted for George because I beleived he would do things I wanted done. I didn’t believe every word he said, and I fear a lot of the stuff his administration has done, but the worst of which are being torn down by shining some light on what the NSA and HSA are trying to do.

If you fall for this garbage from your party you will fall for anything. I weep for this nation that this manner of politics works. Looks at McCain in my party. It is working on my side to. Populism works everytime it is tried.
Luckily people come to their senses eventually.

I think that if either Hillary or Barack eventually become president, that good things can happen.

If Barack ends up as President, I think that he could become someone who can really lead us somewhere. Bush, besides his trainwreck policies, never really asked us to do anything toward any common goal. He never asked us to sacrifice, he never asked us to work hard for our country. In a very JFK-like way, I think that Barack could lead us together, as a nation.

If Hillary becomes president, we get to watch the entire right-wing, conservative, republican establishment watch her exploit the power of the newly created (by them) unitary executive. I can’t wait to see the reaction when she treats half the country exactly the way Bush treated the other half for at least four years. I don’t think it will make us any better off as a country – but it will be entertaining.

-adam

At least I hope so.